Mike Aquino
Posted on 19. Oct, 2009 by Pepe in Oplan Pepe
I no longer consider myself a Catholic
I no longer consider myself a Catholic. No matter how fondly I remember the good parts of being Catholic – the songs, the retreats, the lessons – Catholicism for me became increasingly difficult to reconcile with common sense and decency.
I can’t reconcile so-called Catholic values with the Catholic institution’s nasty tendency to close ranks around its priests. Child abuse in the priesthood was given cover for so long because bishops would rather hide abusive priests rather than confirm that such abuse took place. Justice became secondary to the preservation of appearances.
I can’t reconcile so-called Catholic virtue with its hierarchy’s politics, often exercised to uphold retrograde policies against family planning and reproductive health. Empowered by its mass believer base, the Catholic Church continues to abuse its political power in the secular world.
In Manila, doctors were forbidden to prescribe contraceptives to patients, because Mayor Atienza thought he could implement Catholic doctrine into municipal governance. Church pressure has distorted the Reproductive Health debate; the simple question of “should government-run health centers provide reproductive health services, including artificial family planning methods” has been drowned out by priests railing against it from the pulpits and banners hung from churches.
There has been no good-faith effort by the Church hierarchy to explain their side; there has only been arm-twisting and emotional blackmail. Church representatives have ignored or walked out on any efforts to engage them in discussion.
In short, I can’t believe the Church is moral anymore. A fatal conclusion for someone who was raised to believe that Catholic priests acted in persona Christi capitis, in the person of Christ.
I now know that is a lie; many Catholics, laymen and priests alike, use their faith as cover for some of the most grievous immoralities. Not just in the Philippines; the Church hierarchy is complicit in genocide in Rwanda, torture in Argentina, and child abuse in the West. In persona Christi capitis my ass.
Due to the Church hierarchy’s own actions, the current situation is becoming more and more unstable – the Church cannot maintain the status quo for long. At least two presidential candidates have declared their disagreement with Church policy on reproductive health, a position that would have been political poison a few years ago. More Catholics are speaking out, or voting with their feet. The Church is less and less seen as being infallible – increasingly its clay feet are showing.
In time, I hope an increasingly secular electorate will realize a few things about the Church and the civic sphere:
The Catholic hierarchy’s interests are not those of the community at large. Catholic interests cannot predominate in a multi-ethnic, multi-confessional community. A Muslim or Protestant mother must not be compelled to settle for government services tailored only to meet Catholic sensitivities, which is what happens when the Church is able to bully legislators into substituting the Catholic agenda for the government’s.
The Church can no longer impose its particular views onto a secular government. Bishops may have to settle for a conversation with equals, instead of expecting to have their own way every time. Catholic scholar David Hollenbach argues that Catholic involvement in the public sphere “must proceed according to a mode of dialogue and persuasion… faith and theology are seen as participants in a drama that involves numerous other actors. The church is not the producer or director of this drama.”
In real life, the usurpation of government decision-making by ecclesiastics has always ended up badly for everyone. The Church loses moral authority, government decision making powers are hobbled, and constituents end up being badly served by dogma-driven decisions.
I no longer consider myself a Catholic. I still remember my Catholic upbringing and influences with fondness, but so much of present Catholic doctrine treats truth and morality as if it can be decided by fiat (”Roma locuta est…”), and I simply cannot be a part of that.
Grrr, pahabol, one point I wish I’d included and linked to this essay, I had it in mind when I was writing it.
I’ll paraphrase/borrow/steal from ex-Mormon John Hummel – I was a Catholic for 20 years – since the day I was born – and I left when I felt the values they stated were not being addressed by their actions.
tsk tsk. And here I thought Catholicism is the most progressive of religions. Perhaps mixing it in with politics stunted its progress? =|
don’t get my argument wrong, I believe it can be progressive, and at certain points in its history it has been progressive. But that’s not what we’re seeing today, with the RH bill, with the child abuse scandals, and with the Catholic hierarchy’s recent complicity in genocide and torture.
if only both sides agrees and uphold the principle of “separation of church and state”
@Ericka Catholicism’s fundamentalism has nothing to with it’s being mixed up with politics. In fact I would argue that our current crop of politicians’ Catholic upbringing has more to do with failed government policies rather than vice versa.
Catholicism is merely old; hidebound and stiff like a 90 year old man who refuses to greet the modern world. When its heirarchy dies and is replaced by new blood, there may be a resurgence of Catholic progress, but only time will tell.
Loved the article.
I’ve been a Catholic my whole life too, but as you said, it is extremely difficult to reconcile the inconsistencies between their teachings and actions.
Of course, all of us are subject to these inconsistencies because we’re human beings; but so many people in the Church use the “Word of God” as an unassailable argument that people should only obey, not think.
I could only think of so many examples—how Adam was banished from the Garden of Eden because he used his free will, how there is hell when everyone is equal, how we should be love unconditionally so much that we abuse ourselves, and so on.
I was a catholic for 20 years too. Studied in a catholic school and really went on devotions and pilgrimages. That’s how much catholic I was. I remember we were taught in school to outweigh my bad with the good things I do so I could get to heaven. So that’s what I did until I questioned my faith, how will I know I will get to heaven? Is there no way to know until we’re dead?
So I started reading the Bible and found out the truth about this. I found out that one lie, whether white or black, from the day I was born to the day I die, ONE SINGLE LIE will damn me to hell! I said, WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!? I read “For whosoever shall keep the whole law (meaning 10 commandments), and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10″. So just lying, makes me guilty of all!
And then I also read, Jesus saying in Matthew 5:28, I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
I’m like, how can this be? Then everyone’s going to hell!!!! But what about the good things I do? Syempre, God can see the good in us right?
In analogy, A rapist raped a teenager and killed her. He then hid from authority and lived in hiding for 30 years. During this 30 years, he has lived straight, giving to charity, always helping others. In other words, he has changed his ways and has been try to repay his past sin with good deeds.
After that 30 years, authority caught up to him and brought him to court. The judge asks, what can you say for yourself. He then started telling about what he has done for the past 30 years. He says, I have changed, I’ve been crying and mourning everyday for the what I did, I have been trying to repay that incident with good deeds! I’ve been giving to charity, and have been helping people! Please, will you please let me go!
What then should the judge say? Sige na nga! Mukha naman nagbago ka na eh, laya ka na!
Ganon ba?! If the judge is straight and will do his duty, will he just let him go? Syempre kulong!!!
That is exactly our position with God! God who is JUST and RIGHTEOUS, syempre will give us our rightful punishment, which is Hell. Diba?! How can we be sinful, and still receive reward?!?!?!
So sino sa lahat ng tao ang makakapunta ng heaven? Wala!!!
But God did something, out of His mercy for all of us, He did something so we can still go to Heaven. And that is, He sent to us Jesus Christ to pay for our sins! Literally, He paid with his life for our sins! We should have been the one who received that punishment, but Jesus paid it for us!
So is that it? Absuelto na tayo? Well, yeah! Anyone who accepts what Jesus did for us, anyone who accepts Jesus as his Savior is free from Death and Punishment! Just ask God to forgive you for your sins, accept Jesus as your savior, honestly repent for your sins, and that’s it.
If you read this through, and understand what I just said, what should you do? What are you waiting for?
Dwight Said: how Adam was banished from the Garden of Eden because he used his free will
God gave him free will and let him eat ANY, I mean ALL, the fruits in the garden except that ONE fruit because eating it will cause him DEATH!!!!
That’s not exercising free will, that is plain STUPIDITY!!!!!! And that is direct disobedience from the God, that THEY KNOW, created them and created Heaven and Earth!
@Edu: STFU, papist. Proselytizing won’t work here.
Edu, no thank you, being born again isn’t the answer for me either.
Talk about freedom of speech. What gets me about the Catholic religion, being born and raised as one but no longer “practicing”, is that in all those years of history, they have overlooked the people that make up their congregation. How can the Vatican justify that to this day, there has never been an African, Latino, or Asian Pope? I empathize with Mike Aquino, and also no longer consider myself a Catholic
Alright. But please don’t skip my message. Read the whole thing and try to understand.
“Read the whole thing and try to understand.”
@Edu: Sinabi na nga niyang “no thank you”. You Evangelists are really persistent, aren’t you? If converting people here into your fold is your purpose, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Now leave us in peace.
Oh my. I think we can expect a few evangelizers/evangelists/lindaevangelistas whatever you call ‘em here on the site.
But can we have another point of view, please? Any Buddhists or Moslems in the house that can share their thoughts?
That’s what freedom of speech is about. if becoming a “new christian” is what got someone to find internal balance between their faith and their intellect then let them have their balance. it isn’t for everyone. but that is the whole point isn’t it? others found an answer to their questions about the Catholic Church by joining another religion or another form of Christianity while others just decided to become agnostics or atheists altogether. i believe that human beings have a spiritual side to them, but when we try to manifest that into a community of belief – that’s when it becomes scary. even those espousing a personal relationship with God do so within a community – they look for communities. Agnostics look for communities, atheists look for communities even though they would deny it. This whole site is actually an attempt to create a community. It’s a human thing. We seek out our individuality and then we start looking for communities that reflect what we believe. And then when we find others that do not believe as we do, we tell them to go to hell. “Now leave us in peace” is the same intolerance wearing different pants (to paraphrase Oprah).
As an adjunct professor of Church History in an Evangelical Protestant seminary, I couldn’t help but see that the issues you pointed out as reasons for your departure from the Roman Catholic Church are not new at all. They have always been done by the Roman Catholic Church in whichever context the church find herself in. I do not wish to “convert” readers, but I do wish to inform.
If a Catholic will have the proper understanding of how the Roman Catholic Church strangely turned away from the ideals, doctrines and practices the community established by Christ and the faith espoused and affirmed by the disciples, he or she won’t help it but rethink his or her affiliation.
When Constantine tolerated Christianity issuing the Edict of Milan (not yet making it the State Religion), it still did well- Christianity was still a bit close to its original Biblical form. As we know, Christianity eventually did become the State religion of the empire. He was baptized by Pope Sylvester just minutes before he died. Sylvester received Rome as a gift from the emperor in what is known historically as the “Donation of Constantine” which reads: “(the Emperor hands over the rule of) the city of Rome and all the provinces, districts, and cities of Italy and the Western regions to Sylvester and his successors.”
It wasn’t until Pope Leo I when the church felt it has power over secular affairs when at the approaching collapse of the Western Empire Leo saw for himself an opportunity to appear as the representative of lawful authority when the city no longer had a civil/secular government to run or represent it. When Attila invaded Italy in 452 and threatened Rome, it was Leo who, with two remaining high civil functionaries, went to meet him, and effected his withdrawal. Since then, the Bishop of Rome, and ecclesiastics thereafter, saw that it is part of their duty is to affect secular politics because their authority comes from a much higher source- Christ.
The Bishop’s Power. The intertwining of temporal with spiritual authority in the Middle Ages caused endless problems with simony and accusations of simony- or buying a position in the church. Secular rulers wanted to employ the educated and centrally organized clergy in their administrations and often treated their spiritual positions as adjuncts to the secular administrative roles. In addition, during the rise of Feudalism, a new office in the Church rose with it, the Prince-Bishops or Count-Bishops– land-owning ecclesiastics who ruled over provinces. It was abolished during the reign of Napoleon Bonaparte. What we see are remains of what used to be an official standard practice.
An observation. Where Iberian Roman Catholicism pervades poverty is the way of life for most people. Latin America remains to be home of many impoverished families, and the Philippines seems to be a chunk of Latin America in Southeast Asia.
Additionally…
On Genocide.
Lasting several weeks, a massacre known today as “St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre of French Protestants called Huguenots, extended from Paris to other urban centers and the French countryside estimating the number of dead between 50,000 and 100,000 in total.
In 1527, King Ferdinand declared the drowning of Anabaptists, a radical Protestant group who believed in baptism by immersion. The Protestants however are not without fault. The Tudor regime, even those that were Protestant (Edward VI of England and Elizabeth I of England) persecuted Anabaptists as they were deemed too radical and therefore a danger to religious stability.
Those were days when the Church in General espoused the belief that heresy is punishable by death.
i was born and raised a muslim.
i disagree, there is no enough evidence to attack our brother Catholics and their church. Even our Islam leaders make worldly mistakes. Everyone does. But you should see not how they make mistakes but see how they recover from mistakes.
I dont know who you serve now, may it be Allah or God, id rather be Catholic than be no one.
prophet muhammad said “This world is a prison for the Faithful, but a Paradise for unbelievers”
enjoy in paradies.
Edu:
So you’re saying that God needed to “sacrifice” (he didn’t sacrifice anything, because he raised Jesus from death, remember?) his own son in order to forgive his own imperfect creations, knowing full well in his grand omniscience that they WILL take a bite out of a temptation which he himself put in the garden for no apparent reason?
Sounds like a lunatic to me.
@Charmaine,
Who says atheists deny looking for communities??? We certainly do look for them, and yes this site is an attempt to make one.
And asking people like Edu who have nothing constructive to add to the discussion to leave us alone is justified. Otherwise this site will definitely be flooded with the likes of him copying and pasting bible verses into every nook and cranny of this site.
And don’t get me started on Oprah, the number one peddler of pseudoscientific crap.
Jon Las, thanks for your inputs. Not a lot of people are conversant with that part of Catholic history.
I read up from books by Karen Armstrong and Bertrand Russell – Margaret Tuchman’s The March of Folly has a whole chapter devoted to the events leading up to the Reformation, amazing stuff.
@abbas nadeem:
hello, aside from the three atrocities mentioned by mike aquino in his essay, let me add
1. The Crusades, and;
2. for christianity in general, Nigerian children accused of practicing witchcraft: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-af-nigeria-child-witches,0,5276725.story?page=1
Oh and don’t forget that the issue here is that the Catholic Church keeps on meddling with Filipino politics, despite the fact that our constitution explicitly says:
“The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable.”
– Article 2, section 6 of the Philippine Constitution
“No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof… No religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.”
– Article 3, section 5 of the Philippine Constitution
And yes, let us enjoy in this paradise for this is the only life we have.
Thanks Mike for this very thought-provoking article.
Personally, I believe that Christianity (or Judaism or Islam or any other faith) primarily seeks to unite people with God, establish love, peace, care for the environment, etc.
However, when religious principles are being misused / abused… then its missing the original point… Sad to say, but even the church, which is supposed to be a haven of grace and openness and understanding and love — is sometimes being used by some for their own selfish ends…
i guess committing a crime has nothing to do with religion or lack of it… lust for power maybe it and it is just that most people are most susceptible to be influenced to do something other than to be consistent with our professed virtues… “godless” states like ussr, north korea were just as worse if not better
and it is really funny even agnostics like me and atheists here are trying to proselytize
Hmmm… It seems I’m getting a lot of heat here.
The words that I have put must have pierced a lot of people’s conscience.
The subjects you are tackling will lead to an endless debate, and this is not the proper forum for such a thing. So I am just leaving you with what I have already typed.
I’m not converting anyone to Christ, that’s impossible, no one can do that. I’m just asking you to read the whole message through.
Thank you for your time and thank you for reading.
Someone please, for sanity’s sake, delete Edu’s posts. The last thing we need here are evangelizing trolls. Ecumenists, however, are welcome.
@ Edu: ‘Tang ina mo.
Ako Si Gundam, no. Edu means well, and is not trying to pick a fight. He’s actually more interested in rational discussion, only in different language than you’re accustomed to. Tone the fuck down.
BTW, Jon Las, the Donation of Constantine is a forgery.
Ratzinger: Perhaps you know the medieval story of a Jew who traveled to the papal court and who became a Catholic. On his return, someone who knew the papal court well asked him, “Did you realize what sort of things are going on there?” “Yes,” he said, “of course, quite scandalous things, I saw it all.” “And you still became a Catholic”, remarked the other man. “That’s completely perverse!” Then the Jew said, “It is because of all that that I have become a Catholic. For if the Church continues to exist in spite of it all, then truly there must be someone upholding her.” And there is another story, to the effect that Napoleon once declared that he would destroy the Church. Whereupon one of the cardinals replied, “Not even we have managed that!”
I believe that we see something important in these paradoxical tales. There have in fact always been plenty of human monstrosities in the Catholic Church. That she still holds together, even if she groans and creaks, that she is still in existence, that she produces great martyrs and great believers, people who put their whole lives at her service, as missionaries, as nurses, as teachers, that really does show that there is someone there upholding her.
Source: http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/ratzinger_godworld_apr05.asp
This video is also fascinating: http://www.catholicscomehome.org/epic/epic120.phtml
This also explains the coexistence of evil in the church and holiness: The Church is holy, though having sinners in her midst, because she herself has no other life but the life of grace. If they live her life, her members are sanctified; if they move away from her life, they fall into sins and disorders that prevent the radiation of her sanctity.
Suggest you go this source, it’s very enlightening: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#827
That’s just ad hoc hypothesizing, isn’t it? A useful solecism to explain away the stink at the very top.
It explains nothing, too – the bishops and cardinals at the very top of the heap, surely they live the Church’s life more than us poor laymen, yes? But in many instances their behavior isn’t sanctified at all – in fact many of them have used Church resources to cover up some of the foulest crimes imaginable. Cardinal Law, for one, moved pedophilic predator priests around the US to help them avoid prosecution, and he even got promoted by the Pope despite his sins.
Far from the hierarchy openly “doing penance” for their sins, they do their utmost to hide their sins from view. If the Church really “did penance” for the sins of its faithful, wouldn’t the hierarchy have done more to publicly atone for all the kids they were complicit in molesting?
No, Alice, the Catechism cannot explain away evil of this scale, if God’s grace ever existed, it never touched the current Church fathers to begin with.
There are so many inconsistencies in the one’s religious doctrine vs practice that you can almost debate it ad infinitum and it will not matter to someone who just chooses not to believe his reason and senses over the trust that was taken advantage of when they were younger, innocent and didn’t know any better.
You know there is something wrong when a particular Religion Brands Inquiry and Reason and Evil.
Faith = No reason is the basic formula behind many of those religious arguments.
Just couldn’t resist this correction…
@John Las: The “Donation of Constantine” is a forgery (and is thus a hoax), and this puts the idea that Constantine “donated” Rome as a “gift” to Pope Sylvester into question. The “Donation” belongs to a collection of documents, the “Pseudo-Isidores”, that were identified as forgeries.
Salamat kay Alice!
I am already doubting to leave the church or not. Pero your film on the glories of the Church was sooowonderful!
Yes there are bad people in the church (kasama ako dyan!) but there are soooo many good people too! And so0000000000 much good done tru the centuries.
Galing! Ganda!! I will continue to be Catholic. It’sreally God’s Church.
We are the ones who do bad. Atheists are the worst killers. Mao killed 40 M, Pol Pot 2.5, Hitler 17 M, Stalin 3-60 M, Robespierre 40K. Not to mention killing by abortion, reproductive health kuno,at abortifacient pills.
@ latuni: Shut up, papist. Your “absurdio ad hitlerum” fallacy is laughable and hackneyed. Hitler was a vegetarian, and a painter. Does that mean vegetarians and painters are just as “evil” as him?
Latuni,
get your facts straight.
Hitler wasn’t an atheist.
Robespierre is a Deist.
Your fellow christians who get knocked up get abortion, too. Statistics are not from the Philippines but: http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
Don’t forget the crusades and the inquisition.
“You know there is something wrong when a particular Religion Brands Inquiry and Reason [as] Evil.”
Please remember that the universities and modern science were a product of the European Catholic culture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church#Cultural_influence
Ratzinger: From the beginning, Christianity has understood itself as the religion of the Logos, as the religion according to reason…It has always defined men, all men without distinction, as creatures and images of God, proclaiming for them…the same dignity. In this connection, the Enlightenment is of Christian origin and it is no accident that it was born precisely and exclusively in the realm of the Christian faith: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_XVI#Christianity_as_religion_according_to_reason
“There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church, which is of course, quite a different thing.” –Archbishop Fulton Sheen
About the inquisition, crusades, Galileo, you guys can check http://www.catholiceducation.org/
It has a Category for Facts and Misconceptions. You can moreover search for any item in its easy-to-use Search button.
Hope this helps!
Cookiemonster, thanks for pointing that out.
It is something I failed to write about in that comment I made with all that was going on in my head as I was writing it (excuses, excuses!).
I failed to mention that the “Donation of Constantine” is a forged imperial decree. The question is, Who forged such a decree? Some have every reason to believe that those who led the church did, adding gravity of fault on the part of the Roman hierarchy. However, it was a Catholic priest, Lorenzo Valla who proved its forgery.
Ratzinger: Perhaps you know the medieval story of a Jew who traveled to the papal court and who became a Catholic. On his return, someone who knew the papal court well asked him, “Did you realize what sort of things are going on there?” “Yes,” he said, “of course, quite scandalous things, I saw it all.” “And you still became a Catholic”, remarked the other man. “That’s completely perverse!” Then the Jew said, “It is because of all that that I have become a Catholic. For if the Church continues to exist in spite of it all, then truly there must be someone upholding her.” And there is another story, to the effect that Napoleon once declared that he would destroy the Church. Whereupon one of the cardinals replied, “Not even we have managed that!”
There have in fact always been plenty of human monstrosities in the Catholic Church. That she still holds together, even if she groans and creaks, that she is still in existence, that she produces great martyrs and great believers, people who put their whole lives at her service, as missionaries, as nurses, as teachers, that really does show that there is someone there upholding her.
that “someone” is its fan base who are taught that questioning or probing is frowned upon, and that faith is virtuous. Which is very roughly over a billion people today. That is almost a fifth of the world population
Universities and modern inquiry was born out of scholasticism which was what the Catholic Church fostered. Scholasticism was intended to reconcile ancient classical philosophy with medieval christian theology. This is not what critical thought is. Science is totally different. It is the testing of hypothesis through observation and empirical evidence and the eventual perfection of that hypothesis until it is a theory. So while the Church did give birth to scholasticism, I don’t think it intended for modern science.
sorry, change perfection with refinement.
a good read on the subject:
http://bhascience.blogspot.com/2008/09/did-christianity-give-birth-to-science.html
@Jon: Actually, based on what I’ve gleaned so far (in various sources), the discovery of the forgery only made things worse for the Church: it took them centuries to admit that they knew the Donation was a forgery all along. That all along, they were playing on Constantine’s (literal) weakness and made it look to appear that they “inherited” or “received” the empire and, although not directly involved with civil affairs, were still able to influence how the Empire was run.
Pinagmukha din nilang naging “generous” si Constantine sa pagbibigay ng Imperyo ng Roma, siya pa tuloy ang pinalabas na masama. (Although another implication, according to one book I’ve read, is that Emperor Constantine’s “conversion” may be doubtful as well and that he was not really keen on converting to Christianity…but that’s very, very off topic na
)
It looks, then, that the Catholic Church hasn’t changed a bit. Nang-aagaw na sa kapangyarihan noon kahit na nagkukunwaring hindi interesado kuno…ganun pa rin sa ngayon
Serious historians of science and of Europe have been revising what centuries of black legends about the Catholic Church have laid out against her about the
inquisition and its relationship with science. Follow the links and you will learn about the latest findings of professional historians.
@ako si gundam at ch
Ano ang common denominator ng mga killers? AntiCatholic, di ba??
Then look at manners of ako si gundam? Then look at manners ofChristians??
At anong sabi ng film http://www.catholicscomehome.org/epic/epic120.phtml
Di baWe are the largest charitable organization in the planet. We help the poor, we establish orphanages.
Yun yon!!
Peace bro….
@latuni “Ano ang common denominator ng mga killers? AntiCatholic, di ba??”
1. Sweeping generalization, much?
2. ako si gundam is just one of many atheists who are freethinkers. Him being hostile to your apologetics is just a result of you attacking his belief (or lack thereof) by generalization. Or hostile talaga siya, hehe no offense ako si gundam, just as some people behave out of the norm regardless of their faith or non-faith.
3. You forgot how courteous most of the non-catholics other than ako si gundam reply. Hindi lang kayong mga Christians ang mababait, maybe you’re saying that because we’re godless? perhaps this link would help you understand us more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_Ethics
Thank you for reading.
Tangina, latuni, ano ba? Ganyan ba talagang katigas ang kukote mo?
How many times do we have to shove the evidence and legwork in your face? Why the fuck do you still stick to your sweeping generalizations?
I won’t mince words, papist. If you can’t speak our language (in the words of Red Tani), then get the fuck out.
Love,
Ako Si Gundam
PS: Thanks for the save, CH.
PPS: Sorry, Mike. I’ve been watching too much Penn Teller lately.