Comments on: How the CBCP turned our Congressmen into Cowards http://rationalhero.com/2009/11/09/congress-and-the-cbcp/ Rizal alive in every Filipino Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:41:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Reynor http://rationalhero.com/2009/11/09/congress-and-the-cbcp/comment-page-1/#comment-368 Reynor Mon, 17 May 2010 20:48:06 +0000 http://rationalhero.com/?p=192#comment-368 "To your last question, yes, this is political meddling. But it is in their right to do so. The church, when they speak as an institution, does not have the same right because they are a tax-exempt religious organization. But once they lose their tax-privileges, they can meddle all they want. " The tax-exemption is not a "reward" of a "favor" given to the Church. Given the services that the Church provides to the citizens of the state (e.g. charity, healthcare, education, etc...) which the state should be providing in the first place it is only logical and reasonable to not burden her with taxes. it is the least that the government can extend to an organization that does the job that they should be doing. also, meddling is always wrong...tax free or not. “To your last question, yes, this is political meddling. But it is in their right to do so. The church, when they speak as an institution, does not have the same right because they are a tax-exempt religious organization. But once they lose their tax-privileges, they can meddle all they want. ”

The tax-exemption is not a “reward” of a “favor” given to the Church. Given the services that the Church provides to the citizens of the state (e.g. charity, healthcare, education, etc…) which the state should be providing in the first place it is only logical and reasonable to not burden her with taxes. it is the least that the government can extend to an organization that does the job that they should be doing.

also, meddling is always wrong…tax free or not.

]]> By: Reynor http://rationalhero.com/2009/11/09/congress-and-the-cbcp/comment-page-1/#comment-367 Reynor Mon, 17 May 2010 20:34:03 +0000 http://rationalhero.com/?p=192#comment-367 "If our Constitution was a Christian one, why do you think they’d need to add the separation of church and state?" -Ryan The wall of separation between the church and state is meant to protect the church from the state. This is supposedly a common knowledge, a quick search about the separation will provide facts. it is not difficult at all to get it right. “If our Constitution was a Christian one, why do you think they’d need to add the separation of church and state?” -Ryan

The wall of separation between the church and state is meant to protect the church from the state. This is supposedly a common knowledge, a quick search about the separation will provide facts. it is not difficult at all to get it right.

]]> By: Reynor http://rationalhero.com/2009/11/09/congress-and-the-cbcp/comment-page-1/#comment-366 Reynor Mon, 17 May 2010 20:29:34 +0000 http://rationalhero.com/?p=192#comment-366 it is not an intervention/meddling. the priest, bishops, and Lay Catholics are citizens of the Philippines with the same constitutional rights that all of us have, enjoy, and exercise. it is nothing more than your freedom and your ability to say what you will against the priests, the believers, and the Church. it is not an intervention/meddling. the priest, bishops, and Lay Catholics are citizens of the Philippines with the same constitutional rights that all of us have, enjoy, and exercise.

it is nothing more than your freedom and your ability to say what you will against the priests, the believers, and the Church.

]]> By: Reynor http://rationalhero.com/2009/11/09/congress-and-the-cbcp/comment-page-1/#comment-365 Reynor Mon, 17 May 2010 20:21:30 +0000 http://rationalhero.com/?p=192#comment-365 The crusade is an attempt to protect the pilgrims and holy sites. The crusade is an attempt to protect the pilgrims and holy sites.

]]> By: yea http://rationalhero.com/2009/11/09/congress-and-the-cbcp/comment-page-1/#comment-358 yea Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:58:15 +0000 http://rationalhero.com/?p=192#comment-358 lol the damn church spreads lies about contraceptives is that fckn advocacy? lol the damn church spreads lies about contraceptives is that fckn advocacy?

]]> By: reynor http://rationalhero.com/2009/11/09/congress-and-the-cbcp/comment-page-1/#comment-357 reynor Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:15:30 +0000 http://rationalhero.com/?p=192#comment-357 Advocacy is not meddling. The Church only defends the right of the people, especially in practicing their religious beliefs. The wall is there because the state should remain within its boundaries making sure that its people have their freedom to do what their right and moral conscience are dictating them to do. Implying the inverse is letting the state establish its own religion which we all know is, not only wrong, but also against our constitution. Advocacy is not meddling. The Church only defends the right of the people, especially in practicing their religious beliefs. The wall is there because the state should remain within its boundaries making sure that its people have their freedom to do what their right and moral conscience are dictating them to do.

Implying the inverse is letting the state establish its own religion which we all know is, not only wrong, but also against our constitution.

]]> By: Laïcité http://rationalhero.com/2009/11/09/congress-and-the-cbcp/comment-page-1/#comment-344 Laïcité Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:39:03 +0000 http://rationalhero.com/?p=192#comment-344 Thus implying that the inverse is inapplicable, huh? That the state cannot meddle with the affairs of the church but the church can mess around with legislation and public policy? Thus implying that the inverse is inapplicable, huh? That the state cannot meddle with the affairs of the church but the church can mess around with legislation and public policy?

]]> By: reynor http://rationalhero.com/2009/11/09/congress-and-the-cbcp/comment-page-1/#comment-343 reynor Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:20:20 +0000 http://rationalhero.com/?p=192#comment-343 The preservation of the arts had been shouldered by the Church even it would be a liability in terms of the enormous expenses in maintenance (that the state should be taking care of in the first place) is because of its theological relevance (being a testimony of an eternal beauty through human ingenuity and artistic excellence) and for the enjoyment of future generations. The preservation of the arts had been shouldered by the Church even it would be a liability in terms of the enormous expenses in maintenance (that the state should be taking care of in the first place) is because of its theological relevance (being a testimony of an eternal beauty through human ingenuity and artistic excellence) and for the enjoyment of future generations.

]]> By: reynor http://rationalhero.com/2009/11/09/congress-and-the-cbcp/comment-page-1/#comment-342 reynor Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:02:36 +0000 http://rationalhero.com/?p=192#comment-342 "Separation of church and state was the achievement of secular thought. It would be in the last interest of Christian leaders to separate church and state." - Kako It was derived from Thomas Jefferson's reply to the request of Danbury Baptists for the protection of their religious liberty. The wall of separation was there not to limit the church or banish them from the public square or state affairs but in order to be protected from the state; to make sure that no restrictions, limitations, and/or authority will be exerted by the state over the church. The wall is for the protection of the church from the state. “Separation of church and state was the achievement of secular thought. It would be in the last interest of Christian leaders to separate church and state.” – Kako

It was derived from Thomas Jefferson’s reply to the request of Danbury Baptists for the protection of their religious liberty.

The wall of separation was there not to limit the church or banish them from the public square or state affairs but in order to be protected from the state; to make sure that no restrictions, limitations, and/or authority will be exerted by the state over the church.

The wall is for the protection of the church from the state.

]]> By: ACPatagnan http://rationalhero.com/2009/11/09/congress-and-the-cbcp/comment-page-1/#comment-334 ACPatagnan Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:08:33 +0000 http://rationalhero.com/?p=192#comment-334 Politicians are afraid of church leaders? It is logically reasonable, for they themselves are members of the church. To separate the state from the church, in the Philippines seems impossible missions, but doable. Well, let's start promoting atheism objectively. Let's market the idea of disbelief in God. Let's build schools based on objective atheism: from nursery to colleges. Yes, it will take decades to achieved that mission. LOL!!! Politicians are afraid of church leaders? It is logically reasonable, for they themselves are members of the church. To separate the state from the church, in the Philippines seems impossible missions, but doable. Well, let’s start promoting atheism objectively. Let’s market the idea of disbelief in God. Let’s build schools based on objective atheism: from nursery to colleges. Yes, it will take decades to achieved that mission. LOL!!!

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